Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

01/27/2012 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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*+ HB 282 MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 282(EDC) Out of Committee
+ SB 8 STUDENT QUESTIONNAIRES AND SURVEYS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
+= HB 145 K-12 SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 27, 2012                                                                                        
                           8:11 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Dick, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Lance Pruitt, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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HOUSE BILL NO. 145                                                                                                              
"An Act  establishing the parental choice  scholarship program to                                                               
be administered  by school  districts for  the purpose  of paying                                                               
the cost  of attending grades  kindergarten through 12  at public                                                               
and private schools; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 282                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to applying  military education,  training, and                                                               
service   credit   to    occupational   licensing   and   certain                                                               
postsecondary  education  and employment  training  requirements;                                                               
and providing for a temporary  occupational license for qualified                                                               
military service members."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 282(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 8                                                                                                               
"An Act  relating to questionnaires  and surveys  administered in                                                               
the public schools."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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BILL: HB 145                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: K-12 SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KELLER                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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03/25/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
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04/04/11       (H)       EDC AT 5:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
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04/06/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
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04/08/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
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04/11/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
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04/15/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/15/11       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
01/23/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             

01/23/12 (H) Heard & Held

01/23/12 (H) MINUTE(EDC)

01/27/12 (H) EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106 BILL: HB 282 SHORT TITLE: MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) THOMAS

01/17/12 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS

01/17/12 (H) EDC, FIN

01/27/12 (H) EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106 WITNESS REGISTER REPRESENTATIVE WES KELLER Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced the proposed committee substitute (CS) for HB 145 and responded to questions. ERNEST PRAX, Staff Representative Wes Keller Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the changes made in the proposed committee substitute (CS), for HB 145, and responded to questions. JEAN MISCHEL, Attorney Legislative Legal Counsel Legislative Legal and Research Services POSITION STATEMENT: Responded to questions during the hearing on HB 145. ANNETTE KREITZER, Staff Representative Alan Dick Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Provided committee questions, for legal comment, during the hearing on HB 145. CHUCK KOPP, Staff Senator Fred Dyson Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Responded to questions during the hearing on HB 145. AARON SCHROEDER, Staff Representative Bill Thomas, Jr. Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the proposed committee substitute (CS) for HB 282, on behalf of Representative Bill Thomas, Jr., prime sponsor. MARK SAN SOUCI, Regional State Liaison Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Military Family & Community Policy Tacoma, Washington POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 282. CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Associate Vice President State Relations University of Alaska Southeast (UAS) Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Provided University of Alaska System policy measures relating to section 2 of the proposed committee substitute (CS) for HB 282. DON HABEGER, Director Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED) POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 282. ACTION NARRATIVE 8:11:26 AM CHAIR ALAN DICK called the House Education Standing Committee meeting to order at 8:11 a.m. Present at the call to order were Representatives Dick, P. Wilson, Seaton, Feige, Pruitt, and Cissna; Representative Kawasaki arrived as the meeting was in progress. HB 145-K-12 SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM 8:11:53 AM CHAIR DICK announced that the first order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 145, "An Act establishing the parental choice scholarship program to be administered by school districts for the purpose of paying the cost of attending grades kindergarten through 12 at public and private schools; and providing for an effective date." 8:12:14 AM CHAIR DICK closed public testimony. 8:12:50 AM REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT moved to adopt the proposed committee substitute (CS) for HB 145, labeled 27-LS0223\G, Mischel, 1/24/12, as a work draft. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for discussion. 8:13:09 AM REPRESENTATIVE WES KELLER, Alaska State Legislature, expressed his gratitude for the committee's work, on HB 145, by paraphrasing a quote from Ben Franklin, which read [original punctuation provided]: ... nothing is of more importance for the public weal, than to form and train up youth in wisdom and virtue. Wise and good men are, in my opinion, the strength of a state; much more so than riches or arms, ... REPRESENTATIVE KELLER deferred to staff for a review of the changes represented in the proposed CS. 8:14:49 AM ERNEST PRAX, Staff, Representative Wes Keller, Alaska State Legislature, said that Version G contains three primary changes. Directing attention to page 1, line 14, he indicated the first change, which is to clarify that the scholarship program requires a separate legislative appropriation, by inserting language to read: "Payments made under the program are subject to appropriation." Secondly, the language change on page 2, line 5, stipulates the residence requirement by removing "in" and altering the language to read: "…regardless of the attendance area or the school district in which the student resides." Finally, five lines of language have been added to page 4, lines 21-25, at the behest of Chair Dick, which exempts schools that have an average daily membership (ADM) of less than 50 students per year. CHAIR DICK explained his intent to protect small schools, which may be negatively impacted by passage of HB 145. Further, he pointed out that the three year limit will allow future legislatures to revisit the effects of the bill on the smaller schools. 8:18:46 AM REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON asked whether the CS retains the language referring to a two year grace period, for schools with an ADM below 10. MR. PRAX answered, yes, and directed attention to page 3, lines 6-11. REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON asked whether a school with an ADM of less than 10 would receive funding at the 10 student level, or receive reduced funding, but be allowed to remain open. MR. PRAX explained that a school dropping below the minimum ADM of 10 would receive full funding for a period of two years. REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON surmised that a school with 9 students would be funded for two years, as though it had an enrollment of 10 students, but in the third year, funding would be discontinued. She stated her understanding that the third year is when the state would be made aware of how many schools would be closed. 8:21:46 AM CHAIR DICK explained that the intent of Section 2 of the bill, providing a three year sunset clause is to allow time to evaluate how well the program is working. The proposed AS 14.31.030, stipulating a two year period of grace, due to low enrollment, would not sunset. REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON underscored the need to provide clear intent in the proposed language, and asked for further explanation of how the two aspects of the bill might work. MR. PRAX pointed out that the language on page 4, lines 21-25, is applicability language, which stipulates that schools with 50 or less students when the bill takes effect, could not participate for the first three years. Following the third year, the legislature will have the opportunity to review the program and decide whether to continue the program, and then the schools with less than 50 students could participate. CHAIR DICK assured that there would not be a mass exodus from public schools, with the passage of this bill and said that the intent is to provide a three year window in order to grasp the effects of the legislation. Following the initial three years adjustments could then be made. REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON maintained her concern and said that following the third year small schools could be severely impacted. 8:26:19 AM REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE offered his understanding, stating that the bill would not apply to small schools for the first three years. If in the fourth year the enrollment drops below 10, there is a waiver to allow schools to remain open for two additional years. 8:27:15 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he reads the bill as a directive to a parent, that if a family resides in a community with a school size of less than 50, the program is not available. CHAIR DICK agreed that small schools are on the cusp, and not every parent will have the choice of participating in the program. He further agreed that caution must be taken to avoid a situation that would eliminate a public school as a choice, due to lack of enrollment. 8:30:19 AM REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA expressed concern, and objection to the amendment, due to the pace with which the bill is being moved through committee. She asked to have further information provided, time allowed to review the information, and department and school officials made available for comment. CHAIR DICK pointed out that, particularly considering NCLB requirements, a one size solution doesn't fit all. 8:32:28 AM REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT asked whether Representative Cissna objects to the proposed CS, or the amendment, which is not yet under discussion. REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA suggested that a special sub-committee to review all of the changes would be helpful, and stated that she does not object to the proposed legislation; the committee process is a concern. 8:33:48 AM JEAN MISCHEL, Attorney, Legislative Legal Counsel, said she was available for questions. ANNETTE KREITZER, Staff, Representative Alan Dick, Alaska State Legislature, on request of legal counsel, clarified the committee's question asking how Section 2 of the bill, and proposed AS 14.31.030, work together in practicality. 8:34:15 AM MS. MISCHEL explained that the applicability provision, Section 2, excludes schools with fewer than 50 students for a three year period after the effective date of the act. The proposed AS 14.31.030, stipulates that the school size, for purposes of state aid calculation, would not change if the size falls below 10 for a period of a two year period. To a follow-up question, she pointed out that proposed AS 14.31.030 is a permanent provision. 8:37:53 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked if it is correct to interpret Section 2 to mean that parents in communities with fewer than 50 students on the school rolls do not qualify for participation, during the initial three years of the program. MS. MISCHEL said that is correct. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON queried whether constitutional due process issues would arise, given the exclusionary restriction of providing a state benefit only to larger communities. MS. MISCHEL responded that HB 145 may present a valid equal protection question. A court would not necessarily invalidate the provision; however the legislature would need to articulate legitimate rationale related to the provision. One policy rational in question would be the potential failure of an existing public school, particularly if it is the only public school available in the area, and the effect on the remaining students. Other questions might also arise, but she said if the legislature has a legitimate purpose, and a provision is tailored to that purpose, it would be upheld by the court. 8:41:54 AM CHAIR DICK observed that a line has been legally drawn, and cited the ADM limit of 10. Thus, discrimination already exists for anyone who lives in a village with less than 10 students. 8:42:16 AM REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT asked whether there are any public schools with less than 50 students located in proximity to an established private school, which might be effected. Further, he questioned whether a private school could successfully be established in a three year period. MR. PRAX deferred to legal counsel. MS. MISCHEL responded that the applicability provision [Section 2] excludes families from the program for a three year period. 8:44:19 AM CHUCK KOPP, Staff, Senator Fred Dyson, Alaska State Legislature, added that the language under applicability clearly indicates that a parental choice scholarship may not affect a public school. Thus, if public enrollment is reduced because a child's parents have chosen another school, the public school funding will not be impacted for a period of three years. Referring to the requirement of an ADM of 10 students, he said these are two very different provisions, however, in neither case does it remove the ability of a parent to make a choice for the education of their child. MS. MISCHEL said the applicability provision [Section 2] is not limited to a particular aspect of the program. The parents who have students in a public school with an ADM of 50 or less may choose to send their student to a private school, but no scholarship funding would be available for a three year period to support that choice. She indicated that the section could be rewritten from applicability and be made a temporary protection section; similar to proposed AS 14.31.030. MR. KOPP offered that the intent is to promote parental choice, and it appears that the opportunity will be limited for three years, as written. MS. MISCHEL responded yes. She referred to Representative Pruitt's question, regarding size, proximity of schools, and whether there are families that would be affected, and said an EED response would be appropriate. 8:48:10 AM CHAIR DICK offered his understanding that in states where this type of legislation has been implemented, reports indicate that everyone involved has benefited and the educational outcome has been good. 8:48:59 AM REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA asked whether the bills adopted by other states are the same as what is before this committee and if the reports are from states with similar rural conditions as Alaska. CHAIR DICK responded no, and added that there is no state like Alaska. 8:49:41 AM REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON suggested aligning the bill aspects under discussion; the hold harmless clause and the applicability section. CHAIR DICK said: We're talking about a five year period. Three years where it's just hold harmless - let's figure out how this thing works - and after that there would be a two year grace period for communities to adjust. MS. MISCHEL interjected that the two year period is a permanent provision. Thus, if a schools ADM drops below 10, it will be held harmless for a two year period from that point; it is a floating two year period after the first three year exclusion. 8:52:07 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON stated his understanding that the funding is based on the residency of the person not the location of the school. A qualified boarding, correspondence or other private school would receive a scholarship amount for an enrolled student, at the rate for which the student's home district is budgeted. He asked whether it is correct that there is no requirement that a private school establish in the same community in which the enrollment reduction occurs. MS. MISCHEL concurred and said that the funding is based on where ever the student retains residency; their home district. The private school could be located anywhere in the state. Transportation costs may discourage this type of scenario, unless a boarding school situation was entered into. The higher, rural funding would be paid to an urban boarding school, should a student transfer in, and retain a remote resident address. 8:55:09 AM REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON referred to page 3, line 6, and requested a further explanation of Sec. 14.31.030. MS. MISCHEL said that if a student count falls below 10, as a result of the parental choice scholarship, the school is held harmless. The school will be treated, for the purposes of the school size factor, as having 10 students in order to avoid closure. The funding, for 10 students, will be received for a period of two years, during which time the enrollment may increase, or the school would be closed. REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON clarified that this represents a floating two years. MS. MISCHEL indicated that the two year period could begin at any time, through the life of the program. 8:56:59 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON stated that under this section the school would be treated as having 10 students, in regards to funding received for the district cost factor, but would not receive the ADM funding for students who are not actually attending; the ADM funding would be directed to the student's school of choice. MS. MISCHEL explained that the section only speaks to the school size factor, not the district cost factor; the ADM is the reference point. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said: If a school went down to five, they're not going to be funded as if they had ten students in the school. The cost factor to the district will still remain the same, but they're only going to get the ADM and the funding for five students not for ten students. ... We're really only maintaining the district cost factor ... not the average daily membership, as if it was fully ten. 8:59:07 AM CHAIR DICK reported that he has experienced life in a village where a school was closed, and the cost factor is far reaching, as it includes many factors including legal filings. He stated his understanding that a school would receive continued funding for 10 students, and asked if that is correct. 8:59:49 AM MS. MISCHEL said that the proposed language only speaks to the school size factor, under AS 14.17.450; but the size creates an adjusted student count. There is no multiplier for a school with a student count of 10-20 students, thus, AS 14.17.450 would normally require that a school falling below 10 be included within the same district with the lowest ADM. She said this action would not occur for a two year period. CHAIR DICK opined that given the two year grace period, school districts would have ample opportunity to plan ahead. MR. PRAX offered that the intent is to have a school continue to be funded at the 10 student level, and if the language needs to be changed to reflect that intent an amendment would be welcomed. 9:01:40 AM The committee took a brief at-ease at 9:01 a.m. CHAIR DICK reported that the sponsor of the bill does not support an amendment for the section under discussion. 9:02:57 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON turned to page 2, lines 9 and 31, which indicate allowable tuition, and stated his understanding that a private school would receive the same basic aid and local contribution that would be applicable to a public facility, including correspondence schools. However, he pointed out, it appears that a private correspondence school would receive 100 percent of allowed funding, whereas public schools currently receive only 80 percent, under the funding formula. MR. KOPP said it would be possible that the private program could receive 100 percent funding. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON reiterated that public correspondence programs are only allowed funding at the rate of 80 percent of the ADM. MR. KOPP conjectured that tuition for a private correspondence school would be competitive, and suggested that establishing a specific percentage that could be funded would eliminate the concern. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON suggested that private tuition costs may experience a surge to reflect the influx of state funding, and the structure of the bill allows for funding above what state institutions are allowed. 9:08:57 AM REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE concurred that the tuition of private correspondence programs may rise. The choice that parents and students will make, remains unknown, he said, and underscored the importance for competition. He suggested equalizing the funding factor to mitigate the concern. EPRESENTATIVE SEATON said it does not appear that an amendment has been crafted to address this issue, and underscored his concern for the language contained in the proposed CS. 9:10:51 AM REPRESENTATIVE KELLER pointed out that the finance committee would revue how the education funding formula works in the bill. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON held that the education committee should be crafting the bill appropriately, prior to passing it to the next committee of referral. REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON agreed that establishing appropriate policy in this committee is important. Further, she said that private schools will be allowed to discriminately enroll students, even though public funds are being received. REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT pointed out that charter schools are not open enrollment institutions, and receive public funds; albeit on a different scale. 9:13:52 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON moved to page 3, line 29, and read: The department shall adopt regulations necessary to carry out the program in a manner that ensures the highest number of student and school participation, REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said this is problematic, as the department is being directed to write regulations that will be as detrimental as possible to the public schools; the use of "shall" and "ensure" are not appropriate directives for the statute. MR. KOPP responded that the proposed language refers to the administrative process, and is a clear statement of legislative intent to provide direction for efficiencies in process for how schools of choice can be established. Operational guidance of a school will be made user friendly through the adoption of this language. REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said that the language does not come under the intent section of the bill; it does, however, create a mandate to the department, and represents a problem. [A brief discussion ensued regarding the possibility of offering an amendment.] 9:23:23 AM The committee took an at-ease from 9:23 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. 9:30:22 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON removed his objection. Without further objection, Version G was before the committee. 9:31:37 AM REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE moved Conceptual Amendment 1, to page 3, line [28], to read: The department shall adopt regulations necessary to carry out the program including 9:32:12 AM REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON objected to re-read the proposed amendment. She then removed her objection. Without further objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted. 9:33:13 AM The committee took an at-ease at 9:33 a.m. 9:34:05 AM REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA asked for departmental response regarding how special needs students, requiring services, would be affected by HB 145. 9:35:03 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON requested that department representatives respond to questions regarding travel, specifically how the participating school requirement would apply and also considerations related to travel pertaining to attending a boarding school. 9:35:19 AM [HB 145 was held over.] HB 282-MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE 9:35:30 AM CHAIR DICK announced that the final order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 282, "An Act relating to applying military education, training, and service credit to occupational licensing and certain postsecondary education and employment training requirements; and providing for a temporary occupational license for qualified military service members." 9:35:47 AM REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT moved the proposed CS for HB 282, Version 27-LS1116\E, Mischel, 1/25/12. REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI objected. 9:36:18 AM AARON SCHROEDER, Staff, Representative Bill Thomas, Jr., Alaska State Legislature, reviewed the changes represented in the proposed CS for HB 282 paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]: Page 1, Line 9 DELETE: Relevant Page 1, Paragraph (a) SECTION REORGANIZED ADDS SUBSECTION 1: "the department or applicable board determines that education, training, and service is equivalent to some or all of the qualifications otherwise required of an applicant for a license or certificate issued under this chapter:" -stronger/clearer language ADDS SECTION 2: "The applicant provides satisfactory evidence of successful completion of the education, training, or service as a member of the armed forces of the United States, the United States Reserves, the National Guard of any state, the Military Reserves of any state, or the Naval Militia of any state." -restates language from Section 1 of version B which deals w/ occupations who issue temporary licenses. Page 2, Paragraph (b)- ADDS: citation AS 08.01.050(a)(9) Page 2, Line 11 ADDS: citation for subparagraphs 2-5 -Language refers licensing practices already in statute Page 2, Subparagraph (A) ADDS: maintained the license or certification in active status before and at the time of application -Makes clear that the license needs to be current when they apply for a temporary license. Page 2, Subparagraph (B) REWORDED TO: "was awarded a diploma or certificate by a branch of the armed forces of the United States or any state, as described in (a) of this section, that met standards of an equivalent license or a certificate of technical training." -Recognizes military certificates of technical training Page 2, Paragraph (c) ADDS: for an applicant who is on active duty -Expedited licenses only apply to individuals who already hold a license and are on active duty. Page 3, Line 12 DELETES: paragraph (d) -Was not appropriate guidance for the Postsecondary Education Commission. Page 4, Paragraph (b) ADDS: Institution accepts military education if the institution already accepts transfer credits and is approved by their accrediting body. -Language suggested by the Postsecondary Education Commission. -Protects the institution from jeopardizing their accreditation. Page 5, Section 5- ADDS- Guidance for DCCED and applicable boards to immediately promulgate necessary regulations. Page 5, Section 6- ADDS: Effective date of December 31, 2013 for section 1-4. -Gives department time to research military training and promulgate regulations. Page 6, Section 7- ADDS: Immediately effective for Sec 5 9:40:01 AM MR. SCHROEDER said the intent of the bill is to assist previously active military personnel to transition into the private sector work force. Currently, the national unemployment rate is high among this demographic, about 13 percent. Although Alaska's veteran unemployment rate is typically better than average, recent concern has risen for a means to better support the ex-service men and women in our state. In 2010, 1,200 former military personnel separated from service and maintained an Alaskan address. The scope of the bill seeks to directly solicit the Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing, Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED), the University of Alaska Vocational Education, and the Alaska Work Force and Investment Board, to assess military equivalencies to the programs offered. Additionally, HB 282 seeks to expedite professional licensing, or relicensing, of a veteran who is credentialed in another state. 9:42:26 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether licensing boards have provided comment on HB 282. MR. SCHROEDER responded that representatives are available to answer committee questions. CHAIR DICK interjected that written comment has not been received from the boards. 9:43:18 AM REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA drew a similarity between service members and those who volunteer in a specialized field and then receive credit for the gratis work, when being considered for hire into a profession. She stressed the positive implications to the state in encouraging this type of action. 9:44:48 AM REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON pointed out that the fiscal note has been increased due to the boards and commissions need to fulfill the work; these increases may be reflected in the license fees. She said that the sooner the military personnel are able to find work, the more helpful it will be for them socially and emotionally. This is a great bill, she said. 9:46:20 AM MARK SAN SOUCI, Liaison, Military Families for the Northwest, Department of Defense, Regional Deputy Assistant, Secretary of Defense for Military Family & Community Policy, testified in support of HB 282, paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]: Last year, with one million veterans unemployed; with a post 9/11 unemployment rate of 13.3 percent; and an unemployment rate for 18-24 year old veterans at 21.9 percent, the Department of Defense [DOD] began supporting efforts in the states to ask states to give separating Service members credit, so that they may not be held back from finding employment or finishing a degree. We are asking legislative leaders like you to establish policies that ensure separating Service members do not have to repeat requirements completed during their military career to obtain academic credit or an occupational license. MR. SAN SOUCI said: So far, in the 2012 session and this is as of this morning, we have 27 bills in 15 more states resembling the one before you today that we are asking you to support. MR. SAN SOUCI continued paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read [original punctuation provided]: It is important to us that you know we are not asking for direct licensure if it is not equivalent. In cases where the regulatory agency or board determines partial credit but it saves time and expense and helps get them there, even if not completely, that is what we seek. We only seek credit where credit is due. A couple of other points to consider: You and I have already paid for this veteran's training within the DOD schools and with years of experience while serving our Nation with our federal tax dollars. Also, the more credit given to a veteran towards licensing or a degree or certification, the more school slots can be made available to civilians, especially in programs where [there] may be waiting lists to get in. This issue is now the top of the Top Ten Key Issues of the Defense State Liaison Office. The Department of Defense has many highly qualified schools which train service members in a wide variety of skills and occupations. The Department of Defense is also, right now, working feverishly with the US Department of Labor to link military occupations with training/experience programs that most closely align to private sector licensure requirements, while also asking some state regulatory authorities in pilot states like Washington, to review select military occupations to determine whether the training and experience are sufficient to render licensing in that occupation. As you very well know, Alaska is home to thousands of veterans, and is a desired location for separating and retiring military members when choosing where to live after leaving the military. A 2010 Defense Manpower Data Center Study reported that Alaska had 1,286 military separate or retire back to Alaska in Fiscal Year 2010. At roughly 1,286 annually, and more to come with draw- downs, we can expect that highly qualified ex-military people will continue to enjoy Alaska's quality of life, and many will continue to choose Alaska when transitioning into civilian careers. Finally, I'm frequently asked what other states are doing in this area. In 2011, Washington state passed two bills - one for medical occupations and one for non-medical occupations, into law as of July 22nd. Washington modified the statutory chapters of 21 commercial occupations and 14 healthcare related occupations. It is considered by us as Best Practice (BP) legislation. Your bill is modeled after Washington State and also would be a BP. Washington State's Department of Health and Department of Licensing accepted this challenge in legislation last year with 'zero' as fiscal notes, and they have the demands of a big military state with over 6,000 veterans annually choosing to separate or retire from the military and live there. We ask this committee and this legislature in Alaska to join the other [15] states and rising now in session and considering this help for our veterans, along with the four (WA [Washington], UT [Utah], CO [Colorado], WV [West Virginia]) that did it last year. 9:50:58 AM CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Associate Vice President, State Relations, University of Alaska Southeast (UAS), addressed the committee, paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]: I'm here today to talk about section 2 of this bill, which directs the university's president to adopt policies and procedures to award credit for military training, education, and service. I'd like to begin by noting that the university is committed to offering quality educational experiences to active military, veterans, and their dependents. GI Jobs, which is a magazine and web portal that exists specifically to serve people who are transitioning from the military back to civilian life, has designated both UAA [University of Alaska Anchorage] and UAF [University of Alaska Fairbanks] as "GI jobs military friendly schools". Only 15 [percent] of all the colleges, universities, and vocational schools in the country have earned this distinction, which is based on an institution's financial and non-financial commitment to recruit and retain military and veteran students. It is a pretty sad commentary on the lower 48 that only 15 [percent] of schools are rated "military friendly." That's probably why the department of defense is promoting this legislation around the country. The web portal "guide to online schools.com," which bills itself as the most comprehensive authority on distance education and online learning, just released its 2012 rankings of the most military-friendly online colleges in the country, and out of the multitude of schools that offer online education, UAA was rated [number] 5. We're proud of that, and as the entity that made that rating possible by your funding decisions and other support, you have every right to be proud, too. While trying to learn the university over the last few months, the single issue I have heard about the most is transfer of credit. Everybody's got a story. It is a subject that arouses great passion, and military transfer credit is a piece of this bigger issue. The board of regents has adopted a written policy that the campuses must accept in transfer as much credit as is appropriate to a student's new degree and graduation requirements. All three campuses have established transfer credit policies designed to give maximum credit for courses and training taken elsewhere, including in the military. Keep in mind that a degree from an institution is a representation to potential employers and to others that the holder has actually learned what the degree indicates they have learned and that they can do everything the degree indicates they can do. The credit transfer policies have evolved over time to make the process as streamlined as possible while still protecting the integrity of the degrees that are awarded. We believe that awarding appropriate credit for military training is one of the university's responsibilities, and another way we can show our commitment to recruit and retain military and veteran students. There are apparently a lot of misconceptions about what we do for military students, so I would like to give the committee a brief recap. Transfer credit processes at the university are managed at the campus level, although there is intentionally a great deal of uniformity in the system. With respect to credit for military training, all three campuses transfer credit based on recommendations made by "ACE," which is the acronym for the American Council of Education. For over 65 years, ACE has had an agreement with the defense department to review military training and experience for the award of equivalent college credits. Its recommendations on equivalent college credits are utilized by thousands of colleges and universities across the country. Our three campuses have written agreements with the defense department to use the ACE recommendations. Our three campuses are also members of the SOC consortium. "SOC" stands for the Service-members Opportunity Colleges. This is a consortium of over 1,000 colleges and universities that enroll military, veterans, and dependents in special degree programs, both on-campus and through distance learning. Its purpose is to let the military get degrees, rather than just accumulate credits as they move from base to base. To be part of SOC, our campuses signed written agreements to, among other things, follow specific guidelines to ease transferability of credit between the member institutions and to limit the number of credits military students have to earn at UA, in order to get a UA degree. For example, military students working on an Associate's degree at UAA only need 3 UAA credits to earn the degree; UAA will take all the rest of the credits from other schools in the SOC consortium. UAA is currently accepting approximately 51 credits per student from those military students who attended the community college of the air force, the service academies, and other regionally accredited military institutions. At UAF, a military student can use approximately 30 credits of typical training for the Bachelor of Emergency Management degree, or 90 credits for a general studies BA that doesn't require satisfying particular major requirements. Neither UAA nor UAF have any limitation on the number of military transfer credits they will award. They used to; they've done away with it, UAA as recently as last year, as part of our continual process to review the system and make it more student-friendly. Right now, for example, UAF is in the process of developing a minor based on typical military credits, which will satisfy 18 credits towards any BA degree. I could go on, but what is the bottom line? I don't have figures for the entire system, but last year, UAA alone awarded over 15,000 hours of military transfer credit for training, for education, and even for time spent in the service. Approximately 99.5 [percent] of the students who requested military transfer credits received those credits. Alaska is widely known to service-members as a state that welcomes and appreciates the military. I think that Alaska's university, as demonstrated by our existing credit transfer policies, reflects those prevailing social values pretty darn accurately. 9:57:42 AM DON HABEGER, Director, Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing, Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development, came forward to answer questions, at the request of the committee. 9:58:06 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON expressed support for the bill, and asked whether the department has any concerns for the proposed statute. MR. HABEGER responded that the original version imposed time constraints that would have been difficult to meet; however, the sponsor has been responsive to the administrations concerns and Version E provides a workable timeframe for the department to implement the bill utilizing existing resources. As such, a revised fiscal note will be rendered, he said. 9:59:12 AM REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE stated support for HB 282, and said anything that can be done to capture the talent of veterans is beneficial for the state. 10:00:26 AM REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI removed his objection. With no further objection Version E was before the committee. 10:01:17 AM REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT moved to report CSHB 282, Version 27- LS1116\E, Mischel, 1/25/12, out of committee. 10:01:35 AM REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected and pointed out that a fiscal note from DCCED is attached, but is undergoing revision. He then removed his objection. With no further objection, CSHB 282 (EDC) was moved from the House Education Standing Committee, with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. 10:02:12 AM REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA commented that similar legislation in Washington State has passed with a zero fiscal note. CHAIR DICK announced the next regular meeting for the committee. 10:04:30 AM ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the committee, the House Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:04 a.m.

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 8 27-LS0084A Student Questionnaires.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB 8 AS 14.03.110 current law.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB 8 Docs - 2009 YRBS results by CDC.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
CS HB282 Summary of Changes 012612.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
CS HB282 Version E.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB282-DCCED-CBPL-01-20-12.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB 282 Professions Licensed.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
CS HB282 Version E Sectional.doc HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
CS HB282 Supporting Documents.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
CS HB 145 G Version 012412.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 145
SB 8 Docs - Letter Ak Ne Dom Viol Assault.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB 8 Docs - Ref Links YRBS 2009.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB 8 Docs-Ltr Support -ANDVSA 2-4-2011.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB 8 Docs- 2009 Survey Questions.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB008-DHSS-CDPHP-12-16-11 (2).pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
SB008-EED-TLS-12-6-11.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 8
HB282-DCCED-CBPL-01-20-12.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB282-ACPE-EED-01-20-12.pdf HEDC 1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 282